[SIPForum-discussion] SFTF - SIP Test Framework.

Fri Jan 26 12:49:04 UTC 2007

In classic Batson style, you've completely avoided the issue, and instead 
given us a fascinating insight into your time in Miami - which, one would 
presume, is at the SIP Forum's expense!
I magine 'the industry' is reaping the rewards of your efforts too!

Fortunately, you're fooling nobody, none of the time.

That's my two cents and I'll leave it at that. It's up to the members to 
decide whether you're an asset or a liability to the Forum. However, it's 
unlikely that they'll be able to replace you, as remarkably, you have 
apponited yourself to the executive position, and of course, you report to 
yourself!

You are a true example of democracy in action. Congratulations to you!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jay Batson" <jay.batson at sipforum.org>
To: <discussion at sipforum.org>
Cc: "SIP Forum Tech WG" <techwg at sipforum.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: [SIPForum-discussion] SFTF - SIP Test Framework.

> Robert also replied, but I'll add a couple of points.
>
> 1)  As Robert said, the SIP Foundry changed its website without
> notifying us, omitting the SFTF in the process.
>
> Thanks again for the bug report -- we resolved this immediately, and
> the project is now properly included in the SIP Foundry website (look
> at the secondary menu under the "Developer" tab).  A couple of the
> links within the various pages are likely to be broken for a few more
> hours until we get them pointed to the proper URLs within the SIP
> Foundry website, and get the various (old) pages moved over to the
> new site.
>
> 2)  The Subversion (SVN) URLs for the code itself are the "same as
> the old ones."  These URLs are listed on the project page.
>
> 3)  Robert didn't detail Ed's factual inaccuracies about SFTF
> "ownership," and I want to clarify his comments.  I'm speaking about
> where "ownership" = Intellectual Property Rights.
>
> The SIP Foundry provides (to the Forum) the needed development, code,
> and contributor maintenance structure to maintain the SFTF in open
> source form.  It provides servers to host the downloads, version
> control software, contributor license agreement management, and other
> necessary functions required to properly release and support an open
> source project.
>
> But the SIP Forum is (still) the copyright holder for the SFTF, and
> the SFTF is released as open source under the GPL.  The SIP Foundry
> does also have some copyright rights in some of the code, as a result
> of managing contributor agreements for us, at our request.  But the
> Forum did not "give away" ownership of the SFTF.
>
> 4)  Robert has already corrected the the inaccuracy of the
> "foundering" remark relative to continuing contributions to the
> existing framework.  Relative to new tests, the SIP Phone technical
> recommendation is currently being restarted with newly-added
> volunteers to get this restarted.  Once this task group produces a
> Technical Recommendation, we expect examine whether the scope of the
> Framework should be expanded with new cases / code, etc.  If you have
> suggested things you think should be done in the interim, please feel
> free to bring them up on the Technical Working Group mailing list
> (techwg at sipforum dot org).
>
> Finally, with regard to to the SIP Forum's activities of late, I'm
> late to the comments on this today as a direct result of some Forum
> activity.  I'm happy to say that -- as I write this -- I'm in Miami,
> FL., USA helping moderate 3 days of seminars on SIP Trunking (at the
> Internet Telephony Conference, for which we are a marketing co-
> sponsor).  These sessions include a good discussion of the SIP
> Forum's SIPconnect technical recommendation, completed by the SIP
> Forum during 2006.  The session panelists include many SIP Forum Full
> Members, as well as Rich Shockey, the Task Group Chair for the SIP
> Forum's SIPconnect Task group.  We are midway through day 2, and have
> had well over 200 attendees from all over the western hemisphere -
> from the U.S. to Brazil, and more - come learn about SIP Forum
> SIPconnect.  It's clearly one of the biggest activities at this
> conference, and the Forum is happy to be a meaningful part of the
> effort to increase the adoption of, and advance the interoperability
> of SIP Trunking.  You learn more about SIPconnect at http://
> www.sipforum.org/sipconnect
>
> Thanks again to all for giving us visibility on the issues with the
> SIP Foundry.
> Cheers
> -jb
>
>
> On Jan 25, 2007, at 11:47 AM, Ed Keegan wrote:
>> In short, nothing has been done regarding the test framework since
>> it was commissioned.
>>
>> The SIP Forum, which paid for the test framework to be developed,
>> promptly gave away ownership of the test framework to the SIP
>> Foundry, where it has floundered ever since.
>>
>> I suggest you ask the Chairman and Managing Director for an
>> explanation. And while you're at it, you might want to ask what the
>> Forum has actually been doing for the last 2 years under his
>> leadership.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>   From: Hutton, Andrew
>>   To: 'discussion at sipforum.org'
>>   Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 10:23 AM
>>   Subject: [SIPForum-discussion] SFTF - SIP Test Framework.
>>
>>  Does anybody know what has happened to the test framework that was
>> created by the SIP Forum and put under the control of the
>> sipfoundry. I know it used to be available from http://
>> www.sipfoundry.org/sftf/ but this link no longer works.
>>
>>   Has the tool been withdrawn ?
>>
>>   Did anybody use it ?
>>
>>   Regards
>>   Andy
>>   Andrew Hutton
>>   Siemens Enterprise Communications Limited
>>
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